Interview With An Alien
Ida Kannenberg, an elderly lady, lives in Hillsboro,
Oregon, where she and her husband own and operate a
successful antique shop. Although she is now nearly
[eighty], she continues to travel all over the world buying
antiques for their shop. She is highly energetic, well-
educated, and interested in a wide variety of subjects.
Mrs. Kannenberg's first physical UFO encounter took place
in 1940, when she was driving through the desert. At first
she was only able to remember a blazing red object coming
towards her, but not what happened afterwards. The shock
was so great that for many years she remained confused as
to what had actually happened to her. In 1968, she began to
have telepathic experiences, which were initially very
frightening. In 1980, she tried being regressed under
hypnosis by Dr. Leo Sprinkle. During the sessions conducted
by Dr. Sprinkle, she was unable to recall what her captors
looked like, but did remember that technological implants
had been made, including audio-visual ones. The UFO
entities can see through her eyes and hear through her
ears. She is aware of the continuous presence of what she
calls her "live-in companion," who answers to the name of
Mrs. Kannenberg realizes that Hweig would be explained away
by conventional scientists in terms of split personality or
some other form of mental aberration. Although she does not
agree with this interpretation of her situation, she does
not claim to have any paranormal abilities because of her
contact with Hweig. She does not seek publicity, nor does
she avoid it. She writes down dialogues and insights she
finds to be of particular interest as they occur, and has
given me permission to quote the following descriptions:
There is the problem that everything I can see, he can
also. Not only Hweig, but his immediate crew. Since their
observation is through technological implants, the whole
scene can be played upon a screen, similar to our
Hweig is an enormous tease. I suppose it does get boring
always listening in to me 24 hours a day, though sometimes
he takes a vacation for a week or more and someone else
monitors. I try to tease Hweig back. The only problem is he
always knows what I am thinking as soon as I know it
myself. Therefore it is very difficult to play any kind of
joke on him. I managed it just once.
I was looking for a particular skillet in the pantry and
talking all the while, internally of course. I said, "Not
that skillet, it is too large, and this one is too small,
that one is for square eggs, ah, this one is just right."
Back came a quizzical little query "Square eggs? I don't
think I ever heard about square eggs."
There are several things I can do to drive Hweig up the
wall. If I sneeze or whistle, he will say, "Please warn me
when you are going to do that. A sneeze sounds like a
thunder, and a whistle pierces my eardrums like a dagger."
This Hweig/Ida or Ida/Hweig collaboration has been reached
with a great many battles between us, a great deal of
stomping and yelling on my part, and a great many sighs and
apologies on his. Sometimes it is sheer aggravation; after
all, I am married! And sometimes it is absolutely hilarious.
In the beginning of our association Hweig terrified me with
his explanations of who and what he was, and what he
intended to do. I was afraid that my mind was going to be
taken over by an alien personality. However, after more
than four years of this constant telepathic contact, I feel
very much myself. Even more so, for I know myself so much
better. I have had to face up to myself.
To me one of the big questions has always been: why is
Hweig a CONSTANT companion? Is he a monitor only? Why do
the Ufolk care what I say and do every minute? I'm not
anyone. Why is my daily routine of such importance to them?
Why did Hweig so entrench himself in my mind and life that
I cannot dislodge him no matter what I say or do? I have
begged, pleaded, wept, screamed...but he is still with me.
Hweig has put me through some very painful processes, but
he declares they were necessary in order that he learn the
levels of my tolerance and modes of reaction, so that the
best possible use might be made of my peculiar talents and
abilities. Certain limitations had to be overcome, or at
least ameliorated. And when I cuss him out from time to
time, I am only letting him know the limits of my
With mechanical devices that permit mind invasion and
control, an alien civilization could conduct any kind of
surveillance, and there would be no defense against it. The
aliens can do this now. How long before Earth science can
do the same? Or can they do it now? Can the aliens be
I am not trying to "scare talk." I am trying to relate what
has been done to me by persons who seem compassionate and
responsible. Can this be done in the near future by others
who may be neither compassionate nor responsible, who could
be utterly reprehensible? Is it time to study what this
type of mind control is all about, beginning with those
contactees who have experienced it?
Hweig told me that he and his colleagues are trying to
prevent mind control from becoming established here on
Earth. Is it because this type of invasion is fast becoming
possible from other sources perhaps right here on Earth?
Would mind invasion by terrestrial governments or
organizations be carried out with the same ethical and
moral responsibility and codes of dignity that the UFO mind
invasion has demonstrated in my case?
I have questioned Hweig about his ability to prophesy. He
said, "By probabilities only. I am NOT, I repeat, NOT
super-human. I can do only what you could do, if you had an
equal reservoir of information to draw from. We prophesy
only by balancing potentials, by probabilities. Even so, we
can be wrong. Some things are not wholly predictable."
So many times I have been asked, "Why don't they give you
something useful, like a cure for cancer?" Hweig answers
this, "What would you do, Ida, with such information? If I
told you how to build and fly a UFO, what could you do with
that information? Would anyone listen to you on that
subject? Do you have the capital and knowledge to do the
job yourself? I give you the information you can use. Those
who can receive technological or scientific help ARE
RECEIVING IT, though they may not have a live-in companion
as you do. They receive in the manner in which they are
able, and the information they are able to use."
I asked Hweig, "Why is there this influx of extraordinary
help at this particular time? Why now?" Hweig's answer: "At
this time mankind stands in dead center of the crossroads
of human endeavor. I do not mean anything so simplistic as
a single crossroads, but a convergence of many roads, each
seductive in itself. A compromise must be made and
maintained if the current world civilizations are to
endure. The compromise must react onto many levels of human
activity. World government leaders are struggling to find
compromises on a political level, but the every day people
of the world must find their own ways of compromise on an
individual level, such as levels of personal beliefs, as
well as many other kinds. The metaphysical cores, not the
histories, of all religions should be studied, and the
psychological needs that shaped these beliefs. Only on that
level can compromise be found, and until it is, the fires
of war will continue to brutalize the human race."
That was the only commitment Hweig would make concerning
religion. "We are not here to tamper with your beliefs," he
said. "Only to urge a compromise and understanding among
them all, to find a set of humanistic values that all can
tolerate and refer to."
Often he has warned me: "Do not allow any information we
give you to become the basis for a cult or a religion. No
cults! No religions!"
I asked Hweig, "Why has all this come into focus right at
this time?" "For the first time in the course of this round
of civilization, world-wide communication has brought all
the differences of beliefs and activities into a coherent
area of observation. Patiently, many individual researchers
in many lines have been digging into their respective
studies. With the advent of computer technology, all of
those separate researches can now be brought under one
roof, so to speak. They can be analyzed and studied on a
comparative basis. Religion, for example, must be compared
to mathematics. Does that sound silly? It is salvation!
Archaeology must be studied in relation to electro-magnetic
waves. Only with computers can such comparative studies be
adequately carried out. And they will be. This is the
direction in which you and all contactees are being guided:
toward the sharing and comparing of information, which can
then become a common basis for understanding."
Another direct question, "Am I being mind-controlled?"
Hweig's answer: "Only to the extent necessary to impel you
toward those studies and activities that will further our
purpose, to have you gain information to share and compare
with others. This in turn will further your own purpose, to
contribute to the health and continuance of your own
I ask, "Who gives you the right to thus invade my privacy,
"You do," he said, "by the fervor of your desire to help
your own people. You asked to be guided to a way to be of
use, of help. This is the response to your own request. You
put it into words, and we answered. How else do you expect
it could happen?"
I assume he is telling me that no one is going to perform a
miracle for us. If we want to save or help our
civilization, we are going to have to bestir ourselves to
the task. We will have guidance, and information will be
brought to our attention. The action--or inaction--is ours
The first necessary action is data analysis and comparison.
The compiling is already done. Every contactee is a gold
mine of resource material. We must learn how to extract and
We outline these needs by asking, Who, Where, How, and Why.
First, Who? That would be trained workers, scientists,
students competent to obtain and utilize information.
Second, Where? In a research center with adequate
Third, What? To study contactees who are willing to divulge
their information, and to be studied themselves in their
interaction with the UFO connection.
Fourth, How? By devising a data code comprehensive enough
to cover ALL of the forthcoming material. This can be
modified and extended as the work continues.
Fifth, Why? To define specific plans of action, the manner
and means of using that material once the information is
Another question I ask Hweigh: "Why is this information
given in this peculiar fashion? Why all the mystery and
His answer: "Ufolk and their activities are only one
fashion in which information is being given. The Ufolk can
handle the type that leads to physical research, and to
psychological research through scientific disciplines.
Technological, medical and other scientific information and
help is being disseminated by other means."
I know that all over the world, there are others who are
experiencing the same phenomenon as I: a constant
telepathic contact with other entities, all of whom claim
to be of the UFO fraternity. Although they may introduce
themselves as several varieties of beings, they are all
It is my belief we are the vanguard of an experiment that
will in the future be expanded to hundreds and thousands
more of Earth's inhabitants.
It is important, therefore, that we begin to compare notes
on these very personal experiences, and try to find an
answer to that big question: "Where is all of this leading
This is a far more profitable question than, "Are UFOs
going to invade the Earth at some future date?"
We are already invaded. The Ufolk are here, in our minds in
these telepathic contacts.
While others tell us we are crazy, or fooled by our own
subconscious, or experiencing a split personality or some
other aberration, the Ufolks are blithely taking advantage
of all this time to dig in and establish their territory in
Nero fiddled while Rome burned. Our people watch TV while
their minds are wide open to invasion.
There are tremendously ticklish questions to be answered
here. Without profound research, such as a UFO Center would
provide, these questions cannot be answered.
While we older folk have been the experimental
trial-and-error stage of the Ufolk mind invasions, our
young people will be next. With their thinking powers
numbed by constant frenetic entertainment, aided and
abetted for some by alcohol or drugs, their minds could
become so numbed and bewildered that any type of mind
invasion, alien or Earthian would be a cinch.
Kooks like myself and my live-in companion, Hweig, should
be the subject of serious scientific investigation. Dr.
Sprinkle and his allies recognize and wand to do this,
There comes a time when one individual and his immediate
associates cannot provide all the capital and energy and
facilities needed to conduct and complete complication and
adequate studies. It takes the financial backing and
cooperation of those willing and able to devote their
assets, both monetary and intellectual, to the task.
Believe me, our world governments are not without some
recognition of the problem, but they do not go to the
source of the information they need: the contactees, and
the contactee's contactors.
Now it is necessary to interject a dictation by Hweig:
Now I, Hweig, will dictate as you, Ida, have no way of
knowing how to interpret these events and scenarios.
First, we must emphasize the necessity to read the
following in its entirety, as we can give the total story
only bit by bit, and later bits will clarify earlier bits
that might discourage the reader if he be not forewarned.
Therefore please be patient, ride all the way through with
us, then judge according to your own understanding.
About 80% of all UFO abductions and personal contacts are
the result of hypnotically induced illusion and
Those who perpetrate this hypnotic state and its seeming
events are unseen but present within the room, car, or
otherwise near the contactee. This unseen presence is often
felt by sensitive persons (all our contacteees are MOST
SENSITIVE) as a pressure in the atmosphere immediately
surrounding them. The presence is projected by
technological means much beyond the powers of your own
people at present. This indicates that the presences are
those alien to yourself, and not of your normal everyday
earth person no matter how advanced in any science,
technology, or psychic ability an earth person might be.
The alien presence has powers far beyond anything you might
It is necessary for the alien presence to be in close
proximity to the contactee. By close we mean VERY CLOSE,
almost within touching distance.
This presence, being almost pure energy, need not be in any
one particular form, but can attain any form or abstraction
desired. Black and white pinwheels, balls of light,
fireflies, revolving disks, any form may be utilized to
come momentarily into the vision of the contactee. We call
this semi-corporeal form or semi-physical state. Or the
presence can remain totally unseen, in the state that is
similar to your out-of-body experience though the essence
of that presence is of a more powerful energy than the
essence of your out-of-body state. However, this is the
closest analogy we can find to describe this energy state.
It would frighten you spitless, as you say, Ida, to know
how many times you have been surrounded by alien presences.
The knowledge of their extent of control over you would
cause you further alarm. This goes for all contactees of
For this reason, the potential alarm, we conceal the facts
just given and instead perpetrate an illusion of physical
aliens who seemingly come into the contactee's presence, or
bring the contactee into theirs, knowing you can accept and
interact with physical beings in a less frightened and more
objective manner. Yet we wish to get across the idea of
VERY ALIEN personalities therefore we do not offer the
visualization of your own kind of form, even though many of
us are precisely your kind of form.
To feel you were being contacted, and perhaps controlled,
by unseen forces would throw you into a panic, perhaps
beyond acceptance. But to deal fact to face with physical
beings, no matter how alien, would eliminate some of that
panic. At least that is our proposition and this is why
these illusory beings appear.
Not all contactees or abductees face illusory personages. A
very few are quite physical and quite "real" as you term
The illusory beings are the semi-corporeal selves of very
real physical beings, who are at that moment existing in
another area of being, and are quite busy doing something
else physically, but are aware of what is happening in and
to their semi-corporeal self.
This is certainly confusing. Let us recapitulate.
The unseen presences are there through technological means.
They induce hypnotic illusion of abstract forms or
hypnotically project the semi-corporeal forms. These latter
are projections of real beings who are somewhere else
physically at the time. They use projection "copies"
because some time in the future these physical originals
may find it necessary to interact with the contactees in a
wholly physical manner. It would then seem to be an ongoing
Let us reiterate for clearness:
A corporeal flesh-and-blood person so projects himself in
an unseen state through technological means that he enters
into close presence of a contactee or abductee, and is then
able through his own psychic power to gain hypnotic control
over that contactee when said contactee is in a relaxed
state. If the personage were present in semi-corporeal or
corporeal state, he could control the situation equally
The contactee, being already in a relaxed state, is readily
accessible to the hypnotic form of control.
What transpires thereafter is all illusory or
hallucinatory, unless there is a need for physical
interaction. I such a case the contactee can be conducted
aboard a physical craft where the physical interaction
By physical interaction we do NOT include examinations per
se, as these may be of either category, physical or
Why should it be necessary to go through so much physical
effort when illusion will server the purpose of the
Planners just as well? The psychological reaction of the
contactee and the mental and the emotional results of
his/her scenario, both to himself/herself and to his/her
audience, are what it is all about. If the same results can
be obtained through hypnotically induced illusions as
through physical action, then the illusion is chosen.
We are saying things backwards and forwards and inside out
so that, hopefully, no ambiguity remains.
The presence in the room or car or wherever with the
contactee can be felt as an oppression, a "thickness in the
air," as one contactee described it. The contactee begins
to breathe in a more shallow manner and too feel closed in,
or caged, or captured or unable to move.
The presence is the energy essence of a real corporeal
being who through technological devices sends his energy
self, in a state relative to the out-of-body state, to this
place. Since he is not a psychic master, he is not able to
send his energy essence through his own psychic power, but
must depend on technological devices.
The energy essence encloses the WILL of the presence who is
elsewhere physically but is linked through mind stuff to
his energy essence and will.
And that human being is so restricted by moral and
spiritual law he cannot, dare not, serve as an evil power.
He carries out instructions received from higher natures,
and by higher we mean more knowledgeable, more powerful and
more responsible. He is further instructed to use the most
compassionate modes of interacting he can devise.
Non-understanding, haste, error of judgment misreading of
contactee's reactions, as well as many other factors, can
impose a task on the controller that he may be less than
perfectly equipped to handle. Remember he is only another
human trying to do a very difficult job. He is working with
persons as alien to himself as he is to them.
The presence of the controller is never seen by the
contactee unless it is necessary to attract his attention,
or to rivet his mind onto a single point. At such a time
abstract designs or evasive objects, usually circular, are
used. Other times the unseen presence can be felt or sense
by the most sensitive to such emanations of energy.
The condition and reaction of the contactee decides whether
or not the presence is to be seen in any form or to remain
Many contactees have mentioned the "feel of an evil
presence." The presence is NOT EVIL, but is part of the
UNKNOWN and does take CONTROL for a few moments, and from
the arising fear and apprehension the contactee interprets
The contactee response to the sense of being controller is
entirely according to his own nature and character. One
resists and tries to struggle, one weeps or screams, one
jeers, or even giggles. In the response, its kind and
degree, the controller reads information it is necessary
for him to know in order to continue into the future. The
preliminary or initial scene is thus an act of getting
acquainted, each measuring the other's potentials.
Furthermore, the controller is just as much "on the spot"
as they contactee, for he too is undergoing a training
session, and is being weighed and measured by his
From his own psychic and trained abilities the controller
then conjures up the appearance of apparent personalities
who seemingly take charge of the scene. These are
appearances of substance, but not true corporeality. We
refer to them as semi-corporeal. They are projections of
corporeal persons who are to be physically met in the
continued scenario of the contactee.
If footsteps sound, temperatures change, and there are NO
SUDDEN TRANSITIONS in the scene, the event is entirely
physical. If so, there are noises, odors, the sense of
touch as well as vision. Touch does not mean pain, pain is
psychologically induced by the contacteee through fear.
There can be a shifting of states, a moving in and out of
states during the course of a single event, so a single
event can be a very complicated affair. Each would have to
be minutely inspected and analyzed to realize these
changes. At this moment such a scrutiny is not important
and would only obfuscate this recital.
Thus we see MIND TRAVEL as well as OUT OF BODY
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